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		<title>By: oreo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.wpri.com/2012/05/29/josh-barro-rhode-island-should-default-on-38-studios-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-89556</link>
		<dc:creator>oreo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 12:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with Ed on this one, except one point.  RI crediablity?  No such thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Ed on this one, except one point.  RI crediablity?  No such thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 05:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you people read the newer posts, investors are anticipating Rhode Island to default on the bonds. This will impact Rhode Island crediablity. When Rhode Island has to float a bond issue, Rhode Island will have to pay interest on the bond at least 15% higher that other states.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you people read the newer posts, investors are anticipating Rhode Island to default on the bonds. This will impact Rhode Island crediablity. When Rhode Island has to float a bond issue, Rhode Island will have to pay interest on the bond at least 15% higher that other states.</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 21:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[State pensions were not, and never have been neotiated with unions, so they can&#039;t be re-neotiated down. They are implied contracts through statute.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>State pensions were not, and never have been neotiated with unions, so they can&#8217;t be re-neotiated down. They are implied contracts through statute.</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 21:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly right. If RI does not default the State will have a weak argument in any pension lawsuit. Imagine telling the judge that the State had no money for worker&#039;s pensions, but somehow, found the funds for a moral obligation bond. Talk about hypocrisy. Fox and friends say they will pay. Isn&#039;t he a lawyer for god&#039;s sake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly right. If RI does not default the State will have a weak argument in any pension lawsuit. Imagine telling the judge that the State had no money for worker&#8217;s pensions, but somehow, found the funds for a moral obligation bond. Talk about hypocrisy. Fox and friends say they will pay. Isn&#8217;t he a lawyer for god&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: 38 Studios&#8217; EDC bonds yielding more in wake of firm&#8217;s collapse &#124; WPRI.com Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>38 Studios&#8217; EDC bonds yielding more in wake of firm&#8217;s collapse &#124; WPRI.com Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 19:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: oreo</title>
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		<dc:creator>oreo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 15:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not  - &quot;If it can be negotiated upward, as Rhode Island unions have proven historically adept at, and it can certainly be renegotiated downward&quot;
True but there were NO negotiations downward were there?  That&#039;s way the state finds itself in court.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not  &#8211; &#8220;If it can be negotiated upward, as Rhode Island unions have proven historically adept at, and it can certainly be renegotiated downward&#8221;<br />
True but there were NO negotiations downward were there?  That&#8217;s way the state finds itself in court.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 14:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rhode island is so similar to a failed communist state, it&#039;s time to simply print our own currency and pay everybody with that. Our leaders can say whatever they want real or imagined (like they do now), and we&#039;ll all trudge along on our merry way (like we do now). Wow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhode island is so similar to a failed communist state, it&#8217;s time to simply print our own currency and pay everybody with that. Our leaders can say whatever they want real or imagined (like they do now), and we&#8217;ll all trudge along on our merry way (like we do now). Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: GaryM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 13:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not quite

You miss the connection to the pension situation.

When judges / justices examine the ultimate RI reasonableness claims in the use of &quot;police powers&quot;, you can bet they will weigh all matters to judge just how far RI really was in a financial corner.

I agree with you premise that ordinary people might look at this and say that it is in everyone&#039;s best interest not to pi$$ off the bond market.  

However, courts do not look at these matters in the same way ordinary people measure them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite</p>
<p>You miss the connection to the pension situation.</p>
<p>When judges / justices examine the ultimate RI reasonableness claims in the use of &#8220;police powers&#8221;, you can bet they will weigh all matters to judge just how far RI really was in a financial corner.</p>
<p>I agree with you premise that ordinary people might look at this and say that it is in everyone&#8217;s best interest not to pi$$ off the bond market.  </p>
<p>However, courts do not look at these matters in the same way ordinary people measure them.</p>
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		<title>By: Not quite..</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not quite..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 13:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I hate to devolve into the crass, I must firmly state that Josh Barro&#039;s article appears to have been significantly easier to write than it was to read. Barro epitomizes the so-called &quot;arm chair&quot; conclusions about state policy that true journalists are supposed to avoid like the plague. 

To equivocate pension obligations with bonded moral obligations is to fall so wide of the mark in terms of their scope, purpose, and effect on the state budget, that it is to be considered irresponsible. A pension is a legal agreement. If it can be negotiated upward, as Rhode Island unions have proven historically adept at, and it can certainly be renegotiated downward, especially when such an exclusion would quite certainly bankrupt the state. Moral obligation bond programs are entities that provide low cost borrowing to essential service providers or economic stimulators/job providers. One doesn&#039;t have to look far in New England to find what successful moral obligation programs look like. Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire have operated such programs benefitting hospitals, colleges, local municipalities, and small businesses for decades without a single default. The difference? Strong oversight. 

38 studios was clearly a state lending scheme gone far astray, but to suggest that the answer is to default is to completely and purposefully ignore the benefits that these programs have provided. The bond market is nothing but a system of lenders and borrowers. To default on the 38 studios bonds will inevitably increase the borrowing rates for any small or medium businesses in the future and send a message to the lenders that Rhode Island is a bad investment. Barro, not sufficed with just the baby, would punt mother out with the proverbial bath water for all Rhode Islanders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I hate to devolve into the crass, I must firmly state that Josh Barro&#8217;s article appears to have been significantly easier to write than it was to read. Barro epitomizes the so-called &#8220;arm chair&#8221; conclusions about state policy that true journalists are supposed to avoid like the plague. </p>
<p>To equivocate pension obligations with bonded moral obligations is to fall so wide of the mark in terms of their scope, purpose, and effect on the state budget, that it is to be considered irresponsible. A pension is a legal agreement. If it can be negotiated upward, as Rhode Island unions have proven historically adept at, and it can certainly be renegotiated downward, especially when such an exclusion would quite certainly bankrupt the state. Moral obligation bond programs are entities that provide low cost borrowing to essential service providers or economic stimulators/job providers. One doesn&#8217;t have to look far in New England to find what successful moral obligation programs look like. Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire have operated such programs benefitting hospitals, colleges, local municipalities, and small businesses for decades without a single default. The difference? Strong oversight. </p>
<p>38 studios was clearly a state lending scheme gone far astray, but to suggest that the answer is to default is to completely and purposefully ignore the benefits that these programs have provided. The bond market is nothing but a system of lenders and borrowers. To default on the 38 studios bonds will inevitably increase the borrowing rates for any small or medium businesses in the future and send a message to the lenders that Rhode Island is a bad investment. Barro, not sufficed with just the baby, would punt mother out with the proverbial bath water for all Rhode Islanders.</p>
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		<title>By: oreo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.wpri.com/2012/05/29/josh-barro-rhode-island-should-default-on-38-studios-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-89215</link>
		<dc:creator>oreo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 13:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“moral” obligation??  In RI, now that&#039;s funny!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“moral” obligation??  In RI, now that&#8217;s funny!</p>
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		<title>By: GaryM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 12:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RIprof,

The so called &quot;role model&quot; brilliance of Bill Clinton held that we could throw away all those lowly jobs to 3rd world countries because we were now an information society.

What he never figured on was that the info age would be done in isolation (e.g. Palo Alto) leaving all the Central Falls of the world in the keyboard dust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIprof,</p>
<p>The so called &#8220;role model&#8221; brilliance of Bill Clinton held that we could throw away all those lowly jobs to 3rd world countries because we were now an information society.</p>
<p>What he never figured on was that the info age would be done in isolation (e.g. Palo Alto) leaving all the Central Falls of the world in the keyboard dust.</p>
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		<title>By: RIprof</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 11:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ted,

That column by Barro from a few weeks ago was very good, thanks for the link.

I think it&#039;s even *worse* than his despressing column, though.  Looking beyond RI, look at the parts of Mass or CT most similar to Providence.  In Mass, Worcester, Lowell, New Bedford are all old manufacturing cities about the same distance from Boston as us -- and all of them are economic disasters too.  CT towns like Bridgeport, New London, New Haven are not doing well either.  

The current economic hotspots are mostly a few major cities with some mix of a high-tech cluster, a lot of financial firms, strong universities (especially sci-tech), or a few growing regional hubs not located right next to a major metro (e.g., Charlotte).   Old-line manufacturing cities that are basically secondary centers located near a major metro hub are doing poorly all over the country, from Worcester, MA to Tacoma, WA or Gary, IN.  

I don&#039;t think anyone in the country has found a formula that works well for cities in positions like Providence.  Does anyone have any good role models?  Add in the fact that we are too small a state (vs Gary or Bridgeport being a small part of their states) and I really don&#039;t see how you get out of the death spiral.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted,</p>
<p>That column by Barro from a few weeks ago was very good, thanks for the link.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s even *worse* than his despressing column, though.  Looking beyond RI, look at the parts of Mass or CT most similar to Providence.  In Mass, Worcester, Lowell, New Bedford are all old manufacturing cities about the same distance from Boston as us &#8212; and all of them are economic disasters too.  CT towns like Bridgeport, New London, New Haven are not doing well either.  </p>
<p>The current economic hotspots are mostly a few major cities with some mix of a high-tech cluster, a lot of financial firms, strong universities (especially sci-tech), or a few growing regional hubs not located right next to a major metro (e.g., Charlotte).   Old-line manufacturing cities that are basically secondary centers located near a major metro hub are doing poorly all over the country, from Worcester, MA to Tacoma, WA or Gary, IN.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone in the country has found a formula that works well for cities in positions like Providence.  Does anyone have any good role models?  Add in the fact that we are too small a state (vs Gary or Bridgeport being a small part of their states) and I really don&#8217;t see how you get out of the death spiral.</p>
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		<title>By: GaryM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we pay the &quot;moral&quot; obligation bonds, would the courts ask why pensions are a lesser moral obligation?

As a state, we now find ourselves in some strange moral dilemmas&#039;s.  More than half our population finds itself living in a municipality likely to be in receivership soon defaulting on their own moral obligations.

And the General Assembly this week will be debating whether or not to bring another money losing taxpayer subsidized initiative under the EDC&#039;s wing being the East Bay Energy Consortium.

Will we ever learn that &quot;politics as usual&quot; is what got us here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we pay the &#8220;moral&#8221; obligation bonds, would the courts ask why pensions are a lesser moral obligation?</p>
<p>As a state, we now find ourselves in some strange moral dilemmas&#8217;s.  More than half our population finds itself living in a municipality likely to be in receivership soon defaulting on their own moral obligations.</p>
<p>And the General Assembly this week will be debating whether or not to bring another money losing taxpayer subsidized initiative under the EDC&#8217;s wing being the East Bay Energy Consortium.</p>
<p>Will we ever learn that &#8220;politics as usual&#8221; is what got us here?</p>
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		<dc:creator>medical marijuana act text</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 09:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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